Dear Amanda Porter (Univ of Nottingham ‘climate communicaton specialist’)
I just received your message that you do not want to come to Langweer, to make your inquiry on how to communicate to my denialist brain. While last week you wanted to investigate why I do not accept the ‘overwhelming evidence’of ‘climate change’. Which must be caused by my Denial Disorder. Because your Nutterham-sociology group and other ‘experts’ believe it is ‘critical’ to communicate this problem that seems to make daily life impossible.
Scientists are civilians making the same cost-benefit calculations as anyone
Without knowing, your choice demonstrated the main point of my last blog: that people – even academics- make cost-benefit-calculations on a daily basis to evaluate (dis)advantages an arrange priorities. They then find that ‘climate change’ is a non-issue in their daily agenda compared to ‘not having money’ or ‘wasting time’ etc.
You made a cost benefit-calculation based on travel time by public transport. And the personal advantage that this amount of time from and to Langweer (7 hours) would bring to you in the here and now. And decided the traveltime is too long: and thus the results from your interview are no longer important for the outcome of your research. When you fly by Easyjet from Luton, it only takes half an hour to Amsterdam. Absurd it is. You’d run the risk to ruin your agenda with other priorities.
My worse case of Denial Disorder leads me to believe this ‘public transport’-thing is a bad excuse: Your travel would be funded by Dutch taxpayers. And for 25 euro’s you rent a car in Amsterdam, and then you’re here within an hour. Unless you believe you cannot come, because the ‘critical’ problem of ‘climate change’ is making your journey to the north impossible.
A ridiculous point isn’t it? Gotcha! If you don’t tackle THIS critical problem in your work- the absurdity of climate change being a daily problem and priority- you are left with 2 communication possibilities: (verbal) violence and government-authorized theft.
Saving the world from climapocalyps is not important in daily life.
Let me sketch my last point in more detail by starting off with common sense. THis is the main culprit of the climate industry in โcommunicating the problemโ to cure the unwilling. For me, there is no problem, I am very comfortable here. One should be a real, real good expert to experience anything of a biodiversity or climateproblem in daily life.
While getting up, brushing your teeth, feeding your children, going to work etc. This to my view is one reason why 99,999 percent of Dutch people are not talking on a daily basis about climatepolicy and drastically changing their lifes. Since every new product or concept that is sold in Europe is first marketproofed in Holland, I bet the Dutch donโt stand alone here. We are no denialists of a special kind.
โClimate Changeโ is non-existant in daily human affairs. Unless someone through mass media desperately tries to make it. Mostly with appeal to authority or violence. The juvenile intellect is also inclined to refer to authority like โmy dad says soโ, case closed. Both appeals- autority and violence- have the same military root in the history of human affairs. And government authorized ‘mass communication’strategies -like your NWO/Dutch taxpayer-financed research is destined to be used for- have had some unfortunate outcomes in history..
So again, I am very comfortable here
I doubt Amanda, that you suffered from โclimate changeโ driving to office or flying from Britain to Amsterdam. All this is not because of denier disorder, but by daily experience and evaluating costs and benefits in ones actions. My priority now is earning money and improving skills to do so, which drives most people to work. This is motivated by a form of risk perception. Not having money is a real risk to loose your position in society. As a freelance writer it is never too late to fail, with many competitors aiming for the same space in magazines. Whereas the risk of Climate Change for my life now, exists only in the realm of โexpertsโ.
The ‘experts’don’t see any risk from climate change as well
These experts have such a hard time in daily life detecting the problem caused by the phenomenon they study in professional life. So none of them considers a drastic change of lifestyle. If I was a mycologist studying poisonous fungus, I would not serve large doses to my loved ones. This is because of overwhelming evidence, that they would be harmed in the here and now. Apparantly the term โoverwhelming evidenceโ in climate science thus must be of a different kind. All of them live rich and cosmopolitan lives with abundant CO2-production.
Climate Change has improved the lives of many in most pleasurable ways
Just take a look at your mentor Pier Vellinga, our national climate alarmist. If anyone claims to be convinced of the climapocalypse to come and it’s ‘overwhelming evidence’ and claims to have superior knowledge on climate issues: it is him. Did all ’the overwhelming evidence’ make him drastically alter his lifestyle in the here and now for ’the climate’?
It did improve his life in the most pleasurable ways, like having a lot of young female students and postdocs around him. It gave him access to 10’s of millions of euro’s of research money and social standing. For him it must be ‘critical’ that we communicate the severity of his problem.
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So i’m not talking about morality here or ‘hypocrisy’, but the relevance of ‘overwhelming evidence’ of a ‘critical’climate problem. I never met an alarmist who led a more sobre life than me with my denialist brain: to the contrary. Which leads me to the following conclusion: No climate scientist in the world does consider climate change as a real risk for their daily lives.
So the ‘overwhelming evidence’ of this ‘critical’ problem must be of an other order than from medical biology, engineering or fields of toxicology. I also never met a toxicologist who fed his children with cyanide in large doses. Apparantly he must be convinced of the importance of some overwhelming evidence from his field of expertise, to the life of here and now.
Neither does ’the critical’ problem convince you Amanda.
Talking about Climate Change did in fact give you a better life as a ‘communication scientist’, I bet. It pays your bills. I too enjoy lecturing others, and it gives me money to lead a more comfortable life and as a form of expression of thought. Which- as I described- is my first priority on a daily basis. So, unless threatened at gunpoint or punishment by government, daily experience does not motivate for โdrastic change of lifestyleโ to prevent a climapocalypse envisioned in the computer of โexpertsโ. Or have you sold everything and given it to the poor?
Now let me translate vague entities like climate and biodiversity to the civilosphere.
We do experience physical characteristics of a climate on daily basis: the weather. And enjoy ‘biodiversity’: a bird singing on the rooftop. The Dutch and Britons do complain about the weather since ancient times. Because of our cold, windy and foggy climate. The last centuries of weather in our area, have given Britons and Dutchies sufficient reason for lament. We thus have a high tendency for holidays in warmer and sunnier countries like Spain and Southern France, And British adolescents for Amsterdam but for other, warmer reasons then Climate.
Last week I bought an umbrella. I consider going back to warm Sierra Nevada enjoying a mountain trip for photography, nature study and a boccadillo Catalana. So I act now to enjoy now, also on nature and climate. Iโm a long term seeker for the more pleasurable things in life. I will not voluntarily consider giving up this free and comfortable life for preventing 0,8 degrees of warming over 150 years. Or for saving a theoretical amount of species in an expertโs computer. It is unimportant to my life. Most people wonโt I bet, my neighbours wonโt, my friends wonโt. Even you.
So welcome into the world of the overwhelming amount of people suffering denial disorder.
Or wait, consider now the fact that this is a healthy rational form of behaviour. Where people weigh costs and benefits of their actions, and evaluate risks, just like you did by deciding not to spend traveltime. Apparantly it is irrational to kill your lifestyle or daily agenda with it’s own priorities to prevent a hardly detectable environmental change in daily practice: after all โthe environmentโis just one of many risks that might not be such a risk after all compared to โnot having moneyโ.
Climate Change Communication is critical for climate communicators
The importance of โcommunicating climate change’ รญs economical irrational in daily practice: but to my view only if this robs you of your academic position. Now thรฉn you have serious reasons to worry on a now-basis. So start worrying if you want.
Maybe now – if you are able to think for yourself- you accept that scientists are also civilians. They take their daily cost-benefit calculations with them to their professional lives. Just like you did, when deciding travellingtime to Langweer made me less important as a research-object. Most current academics do work that helps them avoid their greatest risk in Western society: not having money and social standing. This is common sense reasoning, and again: not very original. Everyone with an IQ over 100 can come to this conclusion.
The IPCC has 1000’s of academic facebookfriends, so what?
The Scientist is not some infallible form of human life in touch with โthe higher wisdom of Natureโ. Do please note the difference between the scientific METHOD- the best way so far to gain reliable knowledge- and the all too human affair of daily academic practice. Also there are different fields with different capacities of making predictions, with their own error bars. The engineering that made your Easyjet fly from Nutterham to Amsterdam is of a different order in predicting outcomes, than sociology or ‘climate science’
Thus being labled as ‘a climatescientist’- gives no position to make infallible predictions of ‘overwhelming evidence’ in trade for our sacrifices. While the 99,99999 percent of people – basing their judgment on daily experience and the experience of years and billions of others before them- must be stupid.
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So if the IPCC claims they have ‘1000s of academic facebookfriends who like them, so that we all must accept radical lifestylechanges’: why should this be more convincing than our day to day experience that climate change- narrowed down to a little warming- is a nonissue. And does not urge us to stop enjoying life?
Dear Amanda, trie Eugenics instead.
This public judgement is the main enemy of climatists, who rely so desperately on mass media to make their problem to be noticed in daily life: and need even ‘communication experts’to convert our denialist brains. So if you want to convince me of your problem that has economic benefits to you, you should resort to violence or government-authorized theft of things I hold dear.
Or if I wanted to push denialist degenerates in my desired direction, i’d trie Eugenics.
Pity that this new prof. Stapel look-a-like withdraws on her promises.
Yes, I would love to have the opportunity to read the "scientific" report regarding the decomposition Rypke's sceptic, denialist and a-social mind setting.
As a result we had on our turn the fun to make minced meat of this bullshit social-psychology survey.
With or without Rypke's sceptic, denialist and a-social mind setting, this "scientist" and her survey deserves our devoted attention.
@Ms Amanda Porter
re: Deniers
I would like to ask your attention for a mega fraud case here in Holland re Prof. Stapel. Because of the so called "consensus" between him, his collegue profs and many in his field of science it was possible to maintain this fraud for 15 years. Maybe you are aware of this case.
It took some young assistants 3 (three!) times and extremely well prepared survey to convince the university board that Prof.Stapel frauded at least 50% of his research, of which many was fully accepted in the science literature and quoted by many worldwide. At first the board just could not believe that Prof.Stapel frauded in such a massive way (consensus, respect, famous, you name it).
Thanks to these young skeptic people (I call them deniers because they denied his well accepted and respected research) who just did not accepted his research because it was just to good to be true.
His collegue professors later told they had their doubts but you know … consensus….
Therefore I would like to ask you to have an open mind for alternative minds, skeptics or even deniezers if you want to call them, for the sake of SCIENCE, not just consensus or PC accepted opinions from people who may have an agenda of their own.
Thank you for your attention.
@Ms Amanda Porter
More about Prof.Stapel here: https://www.commissielevelt.nl/levelt-committee/f…
Stapel is presumably "The Tip of the Iceberg" of other fraudulent scientist, also in other science sectors. Social-psychology is really badly damaged as a reliable science!
Het onderzoeksteam onder leiding van Prof. Levelt heeft gedurende het onderzoek naar fraude bij Stapel in tenminste drie andere gevallen in Tilburg gerommel met data aangetroffen bij drie ´wetenschappers´.
Kan deze hoogleraar ook de klimaatwetenschap eens doorlichten?
@Mrs. Porter
The presentation of the “Lefelt report” into former social psychology professor Stapel’s scientific conduct and publications, seems to have got the ball rolling here in The Netherlands.
A tip of the iceberg it might well be.
A call for a similar investigation into two incidents at the Erasmus University Rotterdam is now being made by the president (chairman) of the Dutch Academy of Sciences. It concerns a former professor in social psychology and a former professor in medicine (cardiology).
At the time, when both professors resigned after being exposed, the Erasmus University Rotterdam did not find it not necessary to investigate the matters further. “It is too complex” was the excuse. With the president of the Dutch Academy of Sciences putting his full weight into this…it will be difficult now for the Erasmus University to still hold this position. They will have to do something.
For your information: The Lefelt investigation was very meticulous. Every paper, research, result, experiment/research by Stapel etc. was checked, including correspondence with international reviewers, who’s conduct was also judged to be unscientific in certain cases (e.g. suggesting to leave out results if they were contradictory to “the findings”). No stone was left unturned.
The meticulous investigation by Lefelt thus took over a year, was costly and quite a number of people had to work on it.
Will that be the end of it here in The Netherlands? Well it may not.
For there have been calls for putting the Dutch Academy of Sciences itself under scrutiny. The issue is, how it was possible that a “propaganda leaflet on AGW with the academy tag on it “ was released.
Dr. Amanda Porter: a.j.porter@vu.nl
http://www.fsw.vu.nl/en/departments/organization-…
Ik studeerde 1 jaar psychologie en sociologie/geografie. Het was niet mijn ding. Ik heb op afstand wel de ontwikkelingen gevolgd over de jaren, ook via mijn studerende kinderen. Deze beide wetenschappen hebben in hun theorama's enorme veranderingen ondergaan sinds de jaren '70.
Algemeen bekend en aanvaard is, dat in de combi van de sociale-psychologie van de jaren '70-'80 enorm de nadruk kwam te liggen op "Nurture", eigenlijk de primaat van de "maakbaarheid" / opvoedbaarheid van de mens door de psychologie en pedagogie. Het was de tijd van het ultime geloof in de maakbare samenleving, van de socialisering van onderwijs en wetenschappen en van de politieke arena.
Nu na 2000 ligt naar schatting 80% van deze "Nurture" onderzoeksconclusies geheel in de prullemand. Brainscience heeft inmiddels ruimschoots en algemeen aanvaard aangetoond, dat niet "Nurture" maar "Nature" de meest bepalende factor is. Het zijn de genen die gedrag en wording tot volwassenheid overwegend bepalen.
Opmerkelijk is, dat een wetenschap zoals sociale-psychologie in de jaren '70 in de volle breedte zo enorm onjuist kon blijken. De huidige Stapeliaanse sociale-psychologie geeft nu nog eens een ferme deuk aan het imago van de betrouwbaarheid in deze wetenschapssector.
Na de "vleeshufter" van Stapel is de sociale-psychologie als wetenschap zwaar beschadigd en bijna tot een flodderwetenschap verworden, en een onderzoek zoals dat van Dr. Amanda Porter "the decomposition Rypke Zeilmakers’ sceptic, denialist and a-social mind setting" doet nog eens verder afbreuk aan het wetenschappelijk gremium van de sociale-psychologie.
Damage control tot behoud van de betrouwbaarheid van deze wetenschapssector is nu een eerste vereiste!
"Opmerkelijk is, dat een wetenschap zoals sociale-psychologie in de jaren ’70 in de volle breedte zo enorm onjuist kon blijken."
Hier ligt een parallel met de door de klimaatfeiten achterhaalde conservatieve-AGW-theorie, zoals beleden door IPCC "wetenschappers".
Dat de sociale-psychologie thans een probleem heeft is duidelijk. Het overwicht en de ongefundeerde claims vanuit de "Nurture"-hoek in de '70 jaren leidde tot een dogmatisch Stalinisme vanuit deze feitelijk gepolitiseerde "wetenschappelijke" stroming in de sociale-psychologie.
In herinnering de Nurture-Nature affaire tegen prof. Wouter Buikhuisen. Buikhuisen meende dat mensen een criminele aanleg kunnen hebben, hij wilde dat verder onderzoeken. Buikhuizen kwam onder de genadeloze wetenschappelijke guillotine van zijn gepolitiseerde Nurture-kameraden. Buikhuizen werd publiekelijk gelynched onder aanvoering van VN-columnist Hugo Brandt-Cortius. Het werd later als een grove 'karaktermoord van links' bestempeld.
Buihuizens' wetenschappelijke carrière werd onmogelijk gemaakt en hij werd ontslagen van zijn Universitaire leerstoel. In 2010 werd Buikhuizen gerehabiliteerd door zijn Universiteit, met grote inleving voor zijn werk, vasthoudendheid en persoonlijk drama.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wouter_Buikhuisen
Ik vergelijk deze casus met de bevreemdende heftigheid vanuit de gepolitiseerde IPCC-"klimaatwetenschappers" waarmee ze hun conventionele AGW-theorie verdedigen en IPCC-critici/sceptici proberen te lynchen.
Boekbespreking
http://www.nrc.nl/boeken/2012/11/30/autobiografie…
Gisteren was die Belgische architectenbril van de NRC bij “Mathijs” om uit te leggen hoe erg het met de Britse media was gesteld. U kent dat wel “de nietsontziende methoden” en zo. Allemaal waar en heel laakbaar natuurlijk, maar met het elke dag een hele krant uit je duim zuigen is blijkbaar niets mis.
Misschien moesten we in NL die hele bovengrondse journalistiek ook maar eens grondig tegen het licht houden.
kan iemand mij even uitleggen wat Stapel hier mee te maken heeft. sorry hoor maar de klimaatwetenschap heeft onder een iets groter vergrootglas gelegen dan meneer Stapel zijn onderzoek. en iemand die kan bewezen dat er data verzonnen is mag naar voren komen. Verder vind ik dit stapel gedoe wel heel zielig een ook jammer want dan slaat de discussie gelijk dood.
Dus Rypke als klimaatverandering zo onbelangrijk is waarom ben je dan een hele website begonnen en blog je er iedere dag over zonder dat je er een cent voor betaald krijgt. Als iedereen zo overtuigd is als jij dat er niks aan de hand is waarom is er dan een climategate.nl.
@ Martijn: van onder welke steen komt u vandaan?
@Martijn Jansen
Je bagatelliseert de bevindingen van de commissie Lefelt. De sociale psychologie heeft een groot probleem. De tak van wetenschap waarin mevr. Potter ook in meent te moeten onderzoeken?publiceren. Waarom moet dei mevrouw eigenlijk… je kunt ook gewoon een ander beroep kiezen.
Verder is de impact nogal groot. De universiteit van Tilburg zit met een groot probleem…dat ze de ogen dicht deden. collega onderzoekers in binnen en buitenland. Wat Stapel maakte het wellicht heel bont, maar van zijn co-auters gaan ook niet vriuit.
Het onderzoek naar Stapel was zeer diepgravend. Lees wat ik bijv. schrijf over wat reviewers meenden te moeten zeggen. etc. Hij kreeg zijn junk ook in Science gepubliceerd….peer reviewed….dat stelt dus effe geen ene r..t voor.
Ook de Universiteit van Rotterdam kan niet anders dan nu de fraude gevallen onderzoeken. En oh dat wilde ze eerst maar niet doen, maar nu moeten ze wel. De voorzitter van de KNAW vindt eigenlijk dat dat moet. En daar lopen nog een paar professoren rond van zeer bedenkelijk allooi. En dat die dat blijven kunnnen …..verbaast eigenlijk niet.
Zo diepgravend als Stapel door Lefelt is onderzocht is bijv. Michael Mann nooit door Penn State Universiteit onderzocht. Wat dan had men wel al de Emails etc. uitgespit. Lindzen concludeerde dat het zelfreinigend vermogen van Penn State eigenlijk zeer gering was.
Dit Lefelt onderzoek gaat er goed in hakken, het wetenschappelijk klimaat moet flink beter…
en dat brengt climategate.nl graag nog even onder de aandacht.
@Martijn
Daar leg je de vinger precies op de zere plek. Het gaat hierbij om het woord belangrijk, niet om klimaatverandering, die is van alle tijden en de natuur, inclusief de mens, past zich aan.
Iets wordt pas belangrijk als het impact krijgt op je leven en dat is precies wat er aan de hand is. Maar, het is niet de klimaatverandering die de grote impact heeft, maar de mensen / overheden die massaal ingrijpen in ons persoonlijke leven met als excuus klimaatverandering en wel door de mens veroorzaakte klimaatverandering. Deze website is opgericht omdat de mensen die we op dit punt moeten vertrouwen dat vertrouwen niet waard blijken te zijn. En de politici weten dit onvoldoende te adresseren en dan ontstaat een hype.
De hype waar media een goed onderwerp hebben gevonden om de verkoop van kranten en advertentieruimte mee te vullen, de wetenschap er nog niet uit is en de politiek plengoffers brengt aan het volk om ons het gevoel te geven dat ze de "dreiging" serieus nemen. En eigenlijk weten ze dat niets van wat we doen enig effect zal hebben.
Rypke cs zagen op enig moment het bewijs in de correspondentie die met Climategate boven tafel kwam en zij besloten dat toegankelijk te maken. Waarom? Ideële motieven om eenvoudige mensen zoals mij voor te lichten? Een mogelijkheid om onze beleidsmakers te helpen het land goed te besturen? Zin in relletjes en rumoer? In ieder geval doen ze het zo open dat iedereen erop kan reageren wat gelukkig gebeurd. Door gelovers, sceptici en twijfelaars, door wetenschappers, beleidsmedewerkers en leken, met feiten, meningen en humor.
Respect! Kudo's! ;-)
Goed omschreven Ivo. Héérlijk om met zo'n bijdrage wakker te worden.